Something interesting

[Changes_DN]

Was looking through some sites and found this....

HINT: Head your raid ( 10 players at time ) to LBRS and Mind Control one or more Scarshield Spellbinder ( you can find them just at the entrance under the bridge), at this point provide all players with his +83 Fire resistance buff. This takes a lot of time so it is preferable to do it once your strategy is very well understood by your raid. (As of 1.10, this is STILL possible as my guild recently used it to down Ragnaros

[Cyclone]

Yea, we've known about that. Just not worth the time to do it really. We try to limit the number of crutches we use.

[Mackadoody]

Can you imagine the chaos sending 10 people up the chain to get that buff... 1 buff every 2min (yes, there's a cooldown), then zoning out and running back DOWN the chain to MC? Sure, on a PvE server maybe... but on Darkspear, we're talking zoning and getting ganked and losing the buff.

I think last time we tested.... the buff is for a single party member, not group wide.

[Changes_DN]

ahh haha, just was an interesting quirk that i thought might be helpful, apparently it falls under the pain in the ass helpfulness though haha.

[FearFactory]

I thought they took that out in a past patch??

[Savva]

This might be helpful for the tanks that dont have the required FR for vael...

[Mackadoody]

This might be helpful for the tanks that dont have the required FR for vael...


Hot damn!

QFT!

But remember the fiasco the last time we went to BWL? 40 CkB vrs 50+ Cadia, Cadence, every other fan boi cadia loving bootlickin' guild....

Delayed us 25min.

[Changes_DN]

I thought they took that out in a past patch??
(As of 1.10, this is STILL possible as my guild recently used it to down Ragnaros

so i'd suppose it still works

vael looks like a fun fight, every class able to spam attacks... brings me back to swg haha.

anyways www.wowwiki.com is where i got it from,, thats a pretty badass site.

edit: actually looked at their vael write up and its mentioned there:

Vaelestrasz is most easily killed when the raid has a lot of rogues and healers. The encounter tests agrro control and dps, which both generally counter-act one another. Mana/energy/rage conservation are non-issues due to the "Essence of the Red" buff that gets handed out at the beginning of the encounter. This buff increase mana regen by 500 and gives rogues infinite energy and warriors infinite rage.

On first attempt, Vael will be lying on the floor, flagged as friendly. The encounter will begin when the puller (the first main tank) talks to Vael and begins the event. Should the raid wipe, Vael will be positioned in the middle of the room and the raid must stick to the walls when getting positioned. In this case, the main tank should approach Vaelastrasz head-on to begin the encounter safely.

Caster DPS (warlocks, mages, their healers) should be positioned on one side of vaelastrasz, against the wall, clumped together. Meanwhile, hunters and the tanking line up, should be positioned opposite the casters. Rogues will be meleeing Vael in the area between front and hind legs, avoiding the tail swipe knockback and his front cleave attack. Main tanks should be hacking away closer to Vael's front, around his shoulders, ready to move to the main tank's spot.

Every 15 seconds, Vaelastrasz inflicts a member of the raid with "Burning Adrenaline." This debuff effectively turns its target into ticking AoE time bomb, who must move away from their group to avoid a wipe. Every third Burning Adrenaline will be targetted toward whoever is at the top of Vael's hate list (the main tank). All other BA's will be targetted toward random mana users in the raid. Rogues and Druids in feral cat form should not be affected by BA unless they gain aggro, in which case it is generally a guaranteed wipe.

When the main tank is afflicted with BA, the next tank on his hate list must move into his position and take over as the main tank with healing shifting over to the new tank after about 10 seconds, giving the BA-afflicted MT time to deal out some high-damage moves before dropping dead. If the next tank does not pick up aggro after the main tank dies, Vael can turn toward the side groups wipe them out with his flame breath. When mana users are afflicted, they must move away from the raid. A good spot for casters is in the very back of the room, behind Vael's tail where they can unload a series of instant cast nukes before they die, helping to mitigate the loss of DPS.

During tank transitions, it is important for rogues to use their vanish and hunters use their feign death. This is to ensure that they aren't past the tanking lineup in threat. Mage/Warlock/Priest DPS is generally not enough outthreat the tanks and DPS warriors who gain too much threat can more readily move in to main tank as can feral druids in bear form. When BA hits the main tanks, the next tank in line should be in the tanking spot, spamming threat-generating moves to ensure that Vael is on him when the MT drops dead.

Throughout the fight, mages must be chain-casting Arcane Missiles while rogues continously backstab and feint, while all other classes keep as many DoT's as possible on Vale (hunters' Serpent Sting, Warlock Corruption, Priest Shadow Word:Pain). Warlocks should have a Curse of Shadows on Vael at all times to bolster the DPS from Mages, Warlocks, and Priests in the raid. Priests must make sure to renew their Shadow Word: Pain between heals.

Vaelastrasz is a very intense encounter that must be completed within a 3 minute window (i.e. while Essence of the Red is active). Once Vael's 3 minute buff wears off, healers will no longer be able to keep up with the damage being constantly dished out to the raid.

The main challenges in mastering Vael is having smooth tank transitions, enough well-geared warriors to make up the tanking lineup (4 or 5 is good), and careful aggro management from the rogues, sufficient fire resist on melee and casters, as well sufficient healing. Mages and Warlocks aren't too challenged in this fight since their DPS isn't as drastically altered by essence of the red. Likewise, priests are under no pressure to conserve mana.

Rogues do by far the most damage in this fight, especially if they are dagger-specced. They can backstab at the limit, but they must not forget to use their "Feint" as well at cooldown limit. Have your Rogues use "Vanish" on the first transition or when the first MT gets BA. This will reduce the rogue's aggro back to zero and the second Warrior should have no problem.

* http://www.wow-tactics.de/20_taktiken/bwl/vaelastrasz.php - German Tactic Link

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Fire Resist

Having high fire resist for everyone in the raid is critical in this fight, trumping all other stats. Because the Essence of the Red buff which provides essentially unlimited mana, spirit and mana regeneration gear is completely useless, and intellect gear is only useful for its increased crit bonus.

HINT: Head your raid ( 10 players at time ) to LBRS and Mind Control one or more Scarshield Spellbinder ( you can find them just at the entrance under the bridge), at this point provide all players with his +83 Fire resistance buff. This takes a lot of time so it is preferable to do it once your strategy is very well understood by your raid. (As of 1.10, this is STILL possible as my guild recently used it to down Ragnaros
You may find it also handy to mass produce some Magic Resistance Potions. They are cheap to make and last exactly 3 minutes. For newer raids that aren't as well geared up, this buff can enable damage classes to replace some inferior resist equipment with better damage throughput, turning a 5% wipe at 3 minutes 35 seconds into a kill at 2 minutes, 40 seconds.

[Wez]

Did you get guilded yet Raz?